Tuesday, September 26, 2006

Why do we believe? (Feedback)

The following is the response from ConcernedFather to our latest Feedback discussions. I felt that, once again, this man has asked a question worth creating a new post for...
Thanks for your answer. I will be answering over the next few days, but things are rather hectic at the office right now.

I'm enjoying the debate, and I hope it will help atheists understand your point of view - and vice-versa.

My next post will be my last one. Since this is your blog, I'll let you have the final word. In the meantime, could you answer one question: 'Why do you believe that the bible was written by (your) god'. This is not a trap - just a genuine question, as I have problems understanding why believers take that for granted (muslims will believe the same thing about the Koran, of course). Tell a Christian that his wife is cheating on him, or that eating yogurt will make him invisible, and he will check your assertions before acting. But if you tell him that this book was actually written by the creator of the universe, the reaction is 'Oh, yeah, sure'. This really, really puzzles me. (We will make that a digression on the main subject - and I will not answer to you on that specific subject. Thanks).
Thanks for the good quesion! Its a tough one to answer because everyone would answer you differently. Believe it or not but that is actually an amazing thing! The bible was written by over 49 different people from all walks of life. There were shepherds, kings, doctors, priests, prophets, fishermen, etc. All these different types of people wrote what has become the Bible, inspired by the same God to give the same message! That God loves us and wants to bring us back into relationship with him!

With that said I can not tell you what others would say. I can tell you only my own testimony and why I do not bat an eye when others question my faith. Please read as I will point out some interesting stuff before I'm done.

I was actually born into a Christian home. I was raised with the idea that there was a God. Stay in church circles long enough though and you'll learn that a person raised in a Christian home doesn't make him a Christian and that sooner or later I would have to build my own relationship with God.

I lead a pretty normal life. I went to school and learned my abc's and sex ed. I went to camp and learned about God (but didn't accept him through the first few years of it). I lied to my parents and I stole from them and others. I learned to cuss and cheat. My goal in early high school was to have sex before I turned eighteen and I was mildly suicidal around sixteen. I was a normal kid.

You may have heard about other conversions to Christianity as being this day or that and that they had this powerful conversion experience. That happens and is awesome! I, however, can't tell you exactly what day I became a Christian. It was a gradual process for me. I'm sure at some point, as Romans 10:9-10 says, I professed Jesus as Lord and meant it but I can't tell you when. I was baptised late in my fifteenth year. (you'll note that I was already a Christian when I went through my suicidal period - proof that even Christians lose site of the shore now and then)

I did, however, have a vital change in my life when I turned seventeen. I had a car accident. I suffered a head trauma that caused temporary amnesia and swiss cheesed my memories. I had to stay in the hostpital overnight for observation. About a month later I had already been thinking about my life, the universe, and the afterlife more and it was then time for camp. I went to camp that year and God met me there. I can't fully explain what happened but I changed that year. I was, as us Christians put it, on fire! I knew what was true and wanted everyone to know as well.

I scared one of my best friends when I came back because I was so different than she knew me. Over the next year I also made a lot of mistakes because I had such great fire but so little knowledge. I changed that over time. I learned more about this God that I had a relationship with.

To this day I continue to try to absorb all the knowledge I can while maintaining my relationship with Jesus. Here is a snippet from AnswersInGenesis that I thought was appropriate:
‘While we are here on earth, it’s hard for us to test what each “holy book” says about heavenly things. But where books make claims about earthly things2 … aha! Here’s something we can test. Which book best explains the earth’s geology: why we find mountainous layers upon layers of sediments that look like they were pushed up and folded while still wet, and with dead animals and plants buried in them, all over the world? The Bible! Which book best explains biology: why plants and animals reproduce “after their kind”, why we have male and female, why women have pain in childbearing, why we have an ever-increasing number of mutations and genetic disorders—as if the creation is in “bondage to decay” [Romans 8:20–22]? The Bible!

‘And what about the number and distribution of humans around the world—calculating backwards using standard population growth rates gives us a handful of ancestors around 4,500 years ago, somewhere in the Middle East—doesn’t that fit with what the Bible says?3 Doesn’t it explain why scientists now say “race” is biologically meaningless, as if we are of “one blood” [Acts 17:26]?

‘And agriculture: is it just coincidence that many of our crop plants have been traced back to the “Fertile Crescent” between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, which just “happens” to be where the Bible says Babel was located?

‘But here’s the linchpin: no other “holy book” that I know of describes death as an “enemy” [1 Cor. 15:26], which is what it clearly is. Just watch mourners grieving over the death of a loved one; it’s obvious that something’s wrong, death is an intruder, just as the Bible describes. And the Bible not only accurately describes the problem, but also the only logical solution.4 So, if in things that we can test, the Bible wins hands down, which “holy book” are you going to trust?’
I've experienced God's love and his grace. I've seen him heal people and I've watched him change lives. I've read the history and the accuracy of the Bible. When people try to tell me that there is no God I may not test their assertion at the time they tell me because I've already tested the same assertions at a heart level time and time again in the past.

Doubting is not a sin. I've doubted several times as a Christian. It can actually help draw you into a closer relationship with God. But when you find something you know to be true and that won't change from day to day (similar to gravity as an analogy) you trust it. You've tested it and found it to be true.

1 Thessalonians 5:19-22 (New Living Translation)
19Do not stifle the Holy Spirit. 20Do not scoff at prophecies, 21but test everything that is said. Hold on to what is good. 22Keep away from every kind of evil.

Isaiah 1:18 (English Standard Version)
18"Come now, let us reason together, says the LORD:
though your sins are like scarlet,
they shall be as white as snow;
though they are red like crimson,
they shall become like wool.

5 comments:

Christopher said...

I want to extend an invitation to any Christian that reads this post and comment to leave your own testimony here. It would be great encouragement to fellow believers and hopefully leave a mark on anyone else.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for taking the time to answer - much appreciated. I promised that I would not answer back, but I\'d just like more details on the subject of the Bible itself. You\'ve explained very well how you came to believe, but even if you believe in God you could probably have some doubts about the origin of the Bible. I should probably have phrased my question in a slightly different manner: what makes you believe that the words contains in that book are his words?

Jim Jordan said...

Hi concerned father
I'm a concerned father also. One of the things that I want for my daughter is they she be a seeker, as opposed to a shallow thinker. I don't want her to have a shallow, fake faith but a vibrant, passionate relationship with her creator.

That said, you're question is what makes you believe that the words contained in that book are his words?

What the Bible is.
The Bible's view point is consistent throughout. It isn't man's view of God but God's view of man that dominates. The word for Scripture is grafe in the Greek, from which we get the word "graph" and the Bible is best understood as an interconnected graphic web of stories and statements of truth that give us a window into the mind of God, and reveals the way to break down those barriers through Jesus Christ. It's also commonly misunderstood (deliberately and unintentionally) that the Bible is a story of Jesus Christ from Genesis to Revelation. Jesus was not just the man that lived 2,000 years ago but the very spirit essence of God reaching out to us. How does one explain the extraordinary unity of the Bible? Were the books chosen by committee it should look more like a messy quilt. [The books were chosen after much study of their words, investigation of their authenticity, and prayer - books with any "reasonable doubt" were left out] Instead the wisdom of this Book is extremely unified, of one mind, thus the statement by Paul "All Scripture is God-breathed" (2 Tim 3:16). It is "infallible" [it doesn't fail us] and "inerrant" [doesn't make a mistake]. Some people confuse that with a literal reading of certain things that are meant to be figurative, like handling snakes.

Why believe they're His words.
First, it's His Word. The power of the gospel is in the meaning of it. That's why we shouldn't say things like "reading Psalm 139 out loud will open doors for you" or think God wants us to handle snakes. That's superstition. The power is in the meaning of those words. For that reason I study from multiple translations of the Bible, esp. the NIV and the Amplified Bibles. Both are based on Greek and Hebrew originals but the NIV is written more to be easily understood while the Amplified includes all the possible meanings of the original words. Here's an example of how I read the Bible. The verse there is Romans 1:17, the same verse that convinced Martin Luther to begin the Reformation. He understood the meaning of that one verse, saw it's meaning repeated all over the Bible, and that knowledge changed the world.
Therefore, the Bible may be the words of man but it has proven itself to me personally as well as intellectually that it is His Word.

I understand that you may be shaking your head and saying, "that's too radical". But our very existence is radical. Wittgenstein once wrote that "the simplest explanation [using Occam's Razor] is that we do NOT exist!"

May you and your household never stop seeking. Take care.


Per Christian eye's request, my personal testimony is here.

Christopher said...

Thanks for commenting, Jim. I needed that. I was thinking along the same lines you said but I couldn't seem to bring it to words. Thank you.

I also want to mention that I enjoyed reading your testimony. I especially loved this part:"The next few moments have provided me with more reflection than I would need for the rest of my life. A peace fell over me that was like a kind of pleasant electricity giving me an overwhelming sense of assurance of God’s love. I had never felt the presence of God so completely and so powerfully."

God bless!

Anonymous said...

Quick question. If "god loves everyone" why if you break the littlest rule you spend eternity in hell? What love that would be. Um and one more thing, people being homosexual was a round FARRRR before christianity arose, who are you to say that it's wrong? No one, that's who. What other people do isn't a bother to me, so why do christians seem to be compelled to force others to think like they do? Not very christian like if you ask me...wait maybe it is. Crusades anyone?